vast blue sky—
the freedom that
never was
by Kash Poet,
The 1st place winner at 14th International Kukai Contest.
the freedom that
never was
by Kash Poet,
The 1st place winner at 14th International Kukai Contest.
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- Sarbjot Singh Behl Dalvir Gill, Dalvir...no, it doesn't make me think even once...because i think PH allows all the freedom to interpret and deliberate in our own way...at the most there are different points of view, which one can challenge, debate at one's will....and who would know that better than you....well, the only norms that one needs to follow are the norms of decency, which is true for any public forum....
and another thing is that institutions evolve with time...and so does PH...and your's and many others' contribution has been invaluable in this process..
i hope, this should make you think twice... - Ranjit Singh Sra Fully agree with Sarbjot Behl sahab,, ਮੈਂ ਵੀ ਇਹੀ ਕਹਿਣਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਪ ਹ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਵੱਲੋਂ ਕੋਈ ਨੋਰਮਸ ਫਿਕਸ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀਆਂ ਹੋਈਆਂ, ਸਾਰੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਸਿਖਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ ਅਤੇ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਹਾਇਕੂ ਦੀ ਜਾਣਕਾਰੀ ਵਧ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ ਉਸੇ ਹਿਸਾਬ ਹੀ ਸੁਝਾ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ|
ਹਾਇਕੂ ਸਿੱਖਣ ਲਈ ਸਾਰਿਆਂ ਦਾ ਇੱਕ ਹੀ ਅਧਿਆਪਕ ਹੈ, ਇੰਟਰਨੈੱਟ !!
ਸ਼ੁਕਰੀਆ ਬਹਿਲ ਸਾਬ੍ਹ !! - Dalvir Gill I'm aware that i've contributed with very basic things. Started with the "I" in Haiku. Now I'm after haiku being a "word picture" and "personal experience". I've changed a lot as well, the biggest is that now i believe "Haiku is poetry", which i didn't in the beginning. I'll refer to this post in future when someone will say "this is not allowed in Haiku." i stopped presenting a 'ku by masters a long time ago. Thanks for responding.May 26, 2013 at 11:31pm · Like · 1
Dalvir Gill Sarbjot Singh Behl Sahib, i`ve been thinking over it and i like that PH, from the very beginning has been leaning towards the Classical Haiku ( Hokku ) but now that we have known that Haiku was an experimentation by Shiki, 1867-1902, ( and, i don`t doubt his intentions, he wanted to transform Hokku which had been lost in the abyssal mess after Issa ( 1763-1828 ). WhyRasa-theory of BhartaMuni what are stuck on Aristotle`s Poetics ( and even that not directly, but through the western scholars interpretation of it. ). most of the pioneers of `Haiku`in English world mistook this genre as a form of Zen poetry, or not even poetry. they thought it was a continuity of, or branched off of Haikai tradition. but all these `Phrase-fragment`` and so many other theories were there inventions.
it`s true that Basho himself urged his disciples to include kigo in their poems what he said too many things, and like any living poet he had been changing his poetic styles within the genre he evolved. all other aspects of Japanese aesthetics have been not only ignored but shunned to fit the 20th century perceptions of the genre. kire, to create Ma was interpreted as a devise to divide the haiku in phrase and fragment, is just an example.
concepts of mono na aware, yugen, wabi-sabi, iki, etc never came to our mind. words of Donald Richie ( in, A Tractate on Japanese Aesthetics - an 80 page long treatise ) are important:
``In writing about traditional Asian aesthetics, the conventions of a Western discourse—order, logical progression, symmetry—impose upon the subject an aspect that does not belong to it. Among other ideas, Eastern aesthetics suggests that ordered structure contrives, that logical exposition falsifies, and that linear, consecutive argument eventually limits.
As the aesthetician Itoh Teiji has stated regarding the difficulties that Japanese experience in defining aesthetics: "The dilemma we face [the Japanese] is that our grasp is intuitive rather than rational and logical."
- Dalvir Gill Shiki noticed:
"The history of the old haikai is dry as dust; it is like chewing on wax. It can serve only to make me yawn."
Tr. by Donald Keene
The Winter Sun Shines In - Dalvir Gill Shiki Wrote what`s called shasei haiku, other than writing his shasei haiku he wrote volumes till two days before his death. i esteem him highly, he came from a samurai family, he knew how to give his àll`to his work and work he did, that genius. he was wise enough to see the failure of his work and in his life time he had said:
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"I think haiku has already played itself out. Even assuming that the end is yet to come, we can confidently expect it to arrive sometime during the Meiji period."
- Talks on Haiku from the Otter's Den (1892)
Tr. by Janine Beichman
Masaoka Shiki
His Life and Works.
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